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 No.5026[Reply]

Why don't you guys just accept the fact that Communism is always bound to fail? At least Hitler enforced National Socialism and made Germany a super power

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 No.5032

Hitler failed much quicker than communism did in most places


 No.5037

>>5029

No Bismarck made germany a superpower

Hitler made it lose 50% of its land


 No.5616

Hitler's 'Superpower Germany' was beaten by not-superpower USSR, which then continued to rival the USA for another almost 50 years.

Stalin built a superpower.


 No.5624

>>5029

This tbqph


 No.5629

Nationalism is arguably a cancer to society that should be removed from society and avoided completely. It leads to pride in achievements one has not even accomplished or help accomplish, without acknowledging that human tribalism is the sole cause of nationality, ethnic identity, cultural identity and national identity; this is most notably the case with the political landscape of Italy during Mussolini’s rule as Duce. All of the Italian population did not contribute in slight to the old Roman Empire, and yet Mussolini and his clique of fascist bandits and villains glorified the achievements of a civilization that came hundreds of years before the establishment of Italy in 1861. It also leads to dogmatism and hatred, as well as the pointless rejection of friendship across international boundaries and is a tool used to keep the working class in check and prevent them from rising from their chains and making societal progress by trapping them in a state of foolish aggression and dumb pride merely over birthplace, skin color, race, and social class - things that are undecidable at birth. Patriotism is not nearly as harmful as nationalism, but it also leads to the same dumb faith in nation regardless of government and society - it is effectively what led many Germans to support their country in the face of inevitable doom during the Second World War despite disagreements with the regime. Loyalty to nation should be reserved for one’s ideological beliefs and their approval of the government and society; this is also in large part where freedoms to criticise and the like come into play: to present an acceptable place to vent grievances and disagreements with the government passively without forcing its populace to defect en masse to hostile foreign nations and commit massive acts of treason to further a cause they perceive as just. Democracies often survive off this aspect of function and are advertised to a degree as having this benefit; the fact that dictatorships lack this benefit is the leading killer of dictatorships worldwide. Lacking this benefit also contributes in the long run in bureaucratic democracies to their eventual ends.




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 No.5339[Reply]

I feel like most Paris Commune flags I see are boring, so I decided to make my own interpretation.

Opinions?

 No.5340

Trash Free Territory rip off


 No.5354

>>5339

Bumping for raid reasons


 No.5495

>>5354

lmao what?


 No.5610

>>5339

It's aight




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 No.5606[Reply]

were is por peple at?



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 No.5107[Reply]

porky gonna pork

 No.5603

nice bread




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 No.5122[Reply]

/Pol/'s trying their hardest to raid, aren't they?

Got nothing better to do

 No.5129

>>5122

Yeah.I guess you could say that I have nothing better to do.


 No.5136

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Comrades, we must work together, united in our shitposting in order to bash the fash, and secure the safety of /leftypol/

WHAT if THE CHIld CONSents thoUGH?????!!!!!


 No.5601

>>5122

They're /pol/tards, why would they ever be doing anything better?




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 No.5169[Reply]

Is /pol/ just raiding because all their basement dwelling "intellectuals" have nothing else to do with their life?

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 No.5188[Reply]

Anyone know where I could get a /leftypol/ flag irl?

Asking for a friend

 No.5189

Comrade, your friend is a fucking idiot. He should kill himself for the greater good of the state.


 No.5599

>>5188

I think there are places you can get custom made flags




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 No.5385[Reply]

STALIN DID NOTHING WRONG

 No.5391

duh


 No.5394

STALIN WAS A GOOD CHRISTIAN BOY WHO DID NOTHING WRONG, KULAKS DESERVED IT!


 No.5401

>tfw you realize russia was actually better off under communism than under the tsar or under the current oligarchy

really gets the membrane moving


 No.5483

bump


 No.5598

>>5385

N O T

E N O U G H




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 No.5573[Reply]

someone showed me pic related and stumped me in an argument

what do

 No.5589

>>5573

>im lucky to pocket a few pennies"

TOP COMEDY

>ceo's make 300 times more than the average worker in america


 No.5596

Taxation is theft.


 No.5597

Workers can make all those decisions themselves. They don't need a boss-man getting those $75 and doing god knows what. How do we know he's not investing in a hedge found (like some other bosses) or some other risky business (like some other bosses did) ? How can we trust him not to just take money and run away to China (like lot's of other bosses did)? How do we know he actually knows what's needed without being on the factory floor?

On related note: Hegel wrote quite interesting paper on slave-owner relationship. In a nutshell he defined those two as opposites - thesis and antithesis, constantly in conflict. He then wrote the solution to this conflict is synthesis - merging two opposites into one.




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 No.5470[Reply]

Let's give it up to AnCapistan everybody, saving the universe the power of the NAP!

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 No.5544

>>5534 Well, that's hardly conclusive, isn't it? Bernie Sanders thinks he's a socialist when he's just a social democrat, so what you call yourself doesn't matter as much as what your actual positions are.


 No.5568

Once again, a thread that proved ancaps are retarded


 No.5581

>>5543

socialism invariably involves taxes so I don't what you're going on about


 No.5587

>>5581

Taxes in socialist countries were usually very low

some members of the Eastern Bloc had low taxation

you're thinking of social economy


 No.5595

>>5581 Any form of capitalism other than """anarcho""" capitalism also involves taxation, so I don't know why you're trying to argue that anything where the government does stuff is socialism.




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 No.5594[Reply]

Chechnya did nothing wrong



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 No.5269[Reply]

serious question tbh

why are you deep in bed with socialism but lose your shit if "national" is put in front of socialism?

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 No.5280

>>5273

No, you are conflating Social Democracy with socialism. Socialism is when the means of production are owned and operated by the working class democratically so that resources are allocated on the basis of need rather than marketed for the profit of an elite few. Social democracy is when you have capitalism with a steep progressive tax and a welfare state. Hitler did many distinctly non socialist things, like privatizing some of Germany's banks for instance. Also lots of the money Hitler took from the top 4% went to an imperialistic war effort, and imperialism is loathed by most socialists.


 No.5281

> Imo, the concept of national identity is tribalistic and divisive, and results in a divided working class.>

You got things backwards. People are tribalistic and divisive, and this results in a divided working class. Memetics are important in motivating decisions, but the means by which memes can operate varies across different people and express themselves in very different ways.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blank_Slate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_10,000_Year_Explosion

http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/


 No.5342

>>5281

Since I haven't read the books you linked too, I cannot presently make a case against their content, but If the claim that people naturally feel inclined to divide themselves on the basis of ethnicity and nationality, then I have a few issues with that proposition. Firstly, people learn to survive within the structure of the society that they find themselves surrounded in. This means for me that if international (or before the advent of nation states, intertribal) competition over wealth and resources is perceived as necessary for survival in a place, then those tenancies will be adopted by an individual. As someone who surrounds myself with folks unlike myself, I am aware that the love of country and disdain for those of different nationalities is not a concrete trait, so I believe that just because individuals may group themselves a certain way, does not necessarily mean they must isolate themselves from other groups. In my ideal socialist society, different groups of people could provide mutual aid to one and other. If everybody's needs are met, I don't believe that the strong sense of national identity entailed by the term "nationalism" would be the best outcome. For instance, while it's true that I identify as American to a degree, simply by virtue of being born and raised in the US I don't feel like the presence of groups other than white Irish Catholic people living in my town poses an existential threat to my way of life. Also I personally know and am friends with several Muslims descended from first gen immigrants, and nationalistic views marginalize there presence, so I object to those views. While it's true that some of them have more conservative, non western values, they are respectful of cultural differences, and so we can get past the groups we are lumped into, and help each other out as friends. With an ethno nationalist government such as the one that even a Stauserite would advocate, this coexistence of different groups with a common goal is not possible. To make it clear, I do think some assimilation is necessary for coexistance, and I don't advocate a completely open border at the moment, but I also don't believe that the extreme nationalism which has risen more recently is positive.


 No.5402

>>5342

>Since I haven't read the books you linked too, I cannot presently make a case against their content, but If the claim that people naturally feel inclined to divide themselves on the basis of ethnicity and nationality, then I have a few issues with that proposition.>

I think the mentality you're taking is a defensive one, rather than that of a desire to reach genuine understanding. If you really care about people then you have to take the time to understand how they operate, and that means setting aside your feelings of "right and wrong" and following where the scientific evidence leads. Much in the same way that the "god of the gaps" argument prevents true understanding, the desire to discredit new ideas that seems contrary to previously held beliefs on the surface holds people back from fully grasping them.

You mention religion and state indoctrination as causal forces in the development of people's behaviour, but do you know the origins of religiosity?

https://youtu.be/4WwAQqWUkpI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin_selection

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinderella_effect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number

People can only realistically identity with a small number of people and research suggests that groups are more likely to form with genetically similar people. Trust is a big issue for people and similarity is an important indicator.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_capital

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowling_Alone

Rather than object to views you morally disagree with, understand these views and whether they have scientific merit. Going about things in this manner can only benefit your clarity of perception.


 No.5591

>>5402

While it may be at least partly true that some people will coalesce with others based on biological factors, I don't see why this rationalizes the creation of an authoritarian ethno national state, especially when the outcomes of this are continued marginalization of cultural outsiders, and much more dangerously a sense of national superiority which leads to jingoistic foreign policy and imperialism. Also, you argue that I need to reject morality and personal bias and just look at science to grasp the truth, but is this really possible? Could it be that a predisposed bias towards strong national identity and disdain for the outside group shapes your interpretation of empirical evidence? This belief that the only way to the real truth is Empirical evidence can only take you so far when you realize that many people do adhere to this skepticism and still wind up with wildly different ideologies. I do believe that empirical evidence must be examined, but I disagree with the assertion that anybody who does this will wind up agreeing with you. Chomsky for example is a huge skeptic who makes a point of examining empirical evidence to come to conclusions, but his ideology is widely different than your own. By the way I am enjoying this exchange, I don't often get to get first hand opinions from nationalists.




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 No.5261[Reply]

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 No.5578

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>using dat boi

>2017


 No.5590

>>5578

>using dat boi

it was never good to begin with




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Hurhurhur



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Nice that I didn't have to do too much shit to counter the /pol/ faggots raid this time around

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why should we even take them seriously


 No.5579

>>5554

That quote applies to you as well imbecile.




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